Curia Session III - 194 BC

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Curia Session III - 194 BC

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Conscript fathers,

It is my personal honor and great privilege to invite you today to our ancient and cherished Curia Hostilia for yet another Senate session; with your cooperation I expect it to be productive and in keeping with the best traditions of our Republic.

The order of business for the session, barring any amendments as necessary, will be as follows:
  1. Reports of magistrates, promagistrates and those who recently expired their term in office
  2. Old business
    1. Yearly maintenance of Rome
  3. New business
    1. LEX DE ELIGENDIS MAGISTRATIBUS PROVINCIALIBUS (Law for the Election of Provincial Magistrates); requested by G. C. Vecellinus and A. V. Marius
    2. On the construction of mercantile infrastructure, requested by M. S. Pastor
    3. Discussion on the policy of the Republic in regards its provinces, requested by G. C. Vecellinus and G. Q. Varus
    4. Other new business as presented
Given that the day is doubtless going to be long, I ask those who wish to participate to:
-> Magistrates and Promagistrates who wish to provide a report to the Senate may do so immediately. Such a report may, but is not limited to, include information as to the current state of provincial finances, measures to be taken to fulfill the electoral program, work by previous magistrates and matters requiring Senatorial funding, advice or legislative action;
-> Senators who wish to add any topic to the order of business may do so immediately. Let us keep this as succinct as possible.
-> Any Senator who wishes to present arguments against a motion for the yearly maintenance of our city may do so immediately; otherwise we shall proceed to an immediate vote without debate on the matter.
-> Other matters will be presented and debated once point I and II of the order of business are resolved.

I ask the Senators to respect the above so that we may proceed speedily.

I yield the floor.
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After awaiting what he deemed a sufficient time period, the Consul rose again.

Conscript fathers,

Since there weren't enrolees for the first point of the order of business, we shall move on the next topic. Should any still wish to participate in regards these points I will allow it at the conclusion of the other business or at the beginning of a future session, depending on the time we have available.

Moving on to the second point of the order of business.

Since there was no opposition to the yearly allotment of 500,000 denarii for the maintenance of our city, I will order a vote without debate on that motion come the voting period.

Moving on to the first point of the third, and more extensive, order of business.

Inasmuch as it may be good and fortunate for the Roman people of the Quirites, we bring before you, conscript fathers a draft of a motion to codify into law the process for the election of provincial magistrates. The motive for bringing this motion before you is that in the last few years it has become increasingly difficult to discern from our idoneous citizens, which should serve our Republic in the quality of provincial propraetors and proconsuls.

Indeed, only last year we nearly risked depriving our provinces of any governance whatsoever and passing that responsibility to the Plebeian Council. The source of this difficulty was the animosity between the two Consuls which boiled over into our legislative practice. The solution, as such, is to, without taking that power from the Consuls, to organize their prerogatives so that never again we may run that risk.

As such, I ask for your support, not only in terms of vote, but intellectually, towards building a Lex which can resolve these issues once and for all and not leave our Republic hostage to the idiosyncrasies of any one individual. I am of course open to reasonable ammendments which I may have overlooked while building the following motion with Senator Amulius Valerius Marius:
LEX DE ELIGENDIS MAGISTRATIBUS PROVINCIALIBUS (Law for the Election of Provincial Magistrates)
Sponsor: Gaius Cassius Vecellinus
Co-Sponsor(s): Amulius Valerius Marius

WHEREAS the Senate acknowledges that the process for electing idoneous individuals to the rank of provincial governor has been conducted haphazardly in the past few years;

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Roman Republic in the Curia Hostilia assembled,
I. Idoneous individuals who wish to run for the office of provincial governor in the succeeding consular year can make their candidacy in a period running from Quintilis to December either in person or through a nominated representative.
II. Their candidacy will include, at a minimum, their name, intended provincial governorship and electoral program.
III. The Consuls which take office in the year succeeding the candidacy period will, based on the available candidates and by joint agreement, submit to a vote in the Senate a motion containing their chosen governors.
IV. If no candidates are available for any given province, the Consuls will be required to put forth the name of another idoneous individual.
V. Should the Consuls fail to come to a joint agreement or the Senate vote against the proposal as put forth by the former, an immediate vote will begin on a province-by-province basis where candidates who have made a candidacy and those who names have been put forth by the Consuls under Article IV will be considered.
VI. Should the outcome of Article V produce an electoral tie between any candidate, the Consuls will have the option to break the tie by joint agreement. If the Consul's cannot come to an agreement, the tie will be broken by the Censor, or if not available, the Princeps Senatus.

Written into the annals in the consular year 194BC of Gaius Cassius Vecellinus and Titus Furius Pavo
What does it please you should be done about this matter?

I yield the floor to debate.
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The proxy for M. Decius Bellicus rises

"Conscript fathers, I do not think there is any opposition towards continuing the maintenance of Rome and I hope none here would allow the...surprising frugality that affects them for military deployments to get in the way of the most basic of functions of the Senate.

"Having said that, I do agree that we should talk about the provincial governors, though I would challenge it was the animosity between both of our previous Consuls that led to such steps being taken, rather the attempts of one Consul to rule the Republic with what he thought to be an iron fist...whereas most of us would probably describe it as a more dainty, subtle, lady's grip.

"Anyways, I think that we should hear what led to the plundering of Sardinia by the former Praetor for that territory, and why we have yet to see any sort of report or response to the most troubling news we heard from there. Some in the body may be content to sweep that under the rug, but I for one, and I know that Proconsul Decius Bellicus agrees with me, we do not think it strange that attention was attempted to be turned to Hispania Ulterior to distract from what occurred much closer to Rome."
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The Consul rises.

Senator on behalf of Decius Bellicus,

I would ask that we reserve topics outside the current order of business for the time being and stick to the current agenda. We may return to the situation in Sardinia at a later point in this session, as it is a matter of my own interest as well.

I yield the floor.
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The Proxy Rises

"Conscript fathers, with all due respect, I would remind the Consul that they can recommend topics of discussion, however they cannot dictate them."
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Marcus Decius Bellicus wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:49 am The Proxy Rises

"Conscript fathers, with all due respect, I would remind the Consul that they can recommend topics of discussion, however they cannot dictate them."
Conscript father,

I am aware of the procedure of the Senate house, as a former Consul, former Censor and now Consul once more; however, it is still my duty as a presiding magistrate to try steer the direction on a more productive direction. The good Senator may notice that I used the terminology "would ask", frankly and without usurpation of rights or power.

If we all begin addressing different issues at the same time, as is our right, we may be exerting our prerogative but not doing much of a service to the Republic.

I yield the floor.
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Rising in response to the Consul, the Proxy continues

"I must question whether this act does anything that is not already a part of the laws of the Republic. The presiding magistrate(s) already decide what is voted upon, there has never been a formal requirement stating how someone must state their candidacy for a propraetor or proconsulship and indeed it seems a rather trivial usage of this body's time to codify such a requirement. Indeed, I'm rather troubled that we would take so much power out of the hands of the Senate by dictating the procedures for handling an electoral tie, something that I'm not sure has ever been done and would seem to be codifying that this body were unable to come to an agreement on anything. I would remind this body that we have yet to have consensus on the election of provincial magistrates in the past several years, it was just the usage of vetoes that attempted to prevent this."
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Q. Q. Q. Rose to his feet, his comb forward over his balding head tufted upwards in the air.

Good proxy of Decius Bellicus, you also did not give a report on Hispania Ulterior. A region of similar interest to this August body. Might we end this needless interruption and continue the business at hand?
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The Proxy for Decius Bellicus rises

"My good Q. Q. Q., it seems that all the hot air you are expelling has affected your thinking as well as your hair. There has been no investigation into Hispania Ulterior and I would have very little to tell you about that reason, seeing as the Proconsul has only just arrived there. I'm sure if the former Propraetor wished to report, or if the presiding magistrate wished to compel such a report, he would've done so."
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Conscript Fathers,

I wish for a clarification from Consul Cassius Vecellinus with regards to Article V of LEX DE ELIGENDIS MAGISTRATIBUS PROVINCIALIBUS.
V. Should the Consuls fail to come to a joint agreement or the Senate vote against the proposal as put forth by the former, an immediate vote will begin on a province-by-province basis where candidates who have made a candidacy and those who names have been put forth by the Consuls under Article IV will be considered.
If passed into law, and if my understanding of law and Senatorial procedure is still well regarded and up to date, it would mean that the Senate would be compelled to vote on who would become the promagistrate of a province and be required to pick among those who announced their candidacies and those nominated by the sitting consuls. Since it would have the force of law, the vote and those who qualify for the appointment would not be able to be vetoed by any consul, presiding magistrate or even tribune.

Is that correct?
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