Curia Session II 195 B.C.

[Allectus Fabius Maximus]

The proxy would assume the words GQV were addressed to him and not to an absent Senator. Was he seeing things?

Honorable and Virtuous Senator Q. Varus,

I have in no way shape or form suggested that the former Consul, Triumphant, Slayer of the Boiis, Senator Valerius Marius was incapable of managing both the province of Hispania U. and waging a campaign to pacify the natives. I was simply echoing the words of Consul Aurelius Cotta that if we find this task to be of such utmost importance, then we must delegate the task of running the province and fighting the campaign to separate men in order to ensure their focus is not divided. The Good Consul A. Cotta had made it clear he vetoes any legislation that relates to the extension of any governorship but this is a hall of free men who are not restrained in speech, words or topic of debate. Long gone are the days of the Rex Lucius Tarquinius Superbus who with a word could compel the w speech and actions of senators and magistrates to bend to his will and whims with threats of violence against their person and households. That is not the Rome of today nor the Rome that will ever be again.

The man would sit down

[Marcus Decius Bellicus]

Is the Consul vetoing my preferred candidates for governor?

[Gaius Claudius Nero Liguricus]

The proxy for Propraetor Claudius Nero rose to speak

Esteemed Senators,

We must attempt to bring this debate back to the matter at hand on deciding which Senators will be chosen to govern the provinces, as the longer we cannot make a decision, the longer these provinces will be left vulnerable. I have taken into consideration the veto by the Consul Aurelius Cotta for the extension of terms, along with ensuring a balance between those Senators that show promise at home and meet both Consuls chosen options. As such, I therefore think that the following list of candidates would be amicable.

Propraetor of Sicily - Marcus Silvius Pastor
Propraetor of Sardinia et Corsica - Proculus Lucius Regulus
Propraetor of Hispania Citerior - Gaius Quinctilius Varus
Proconsul of Hispania Ulterior - Amulius Valerius Marius

[Gaius Cassius Vecellinus]

The Censor, Gaius Cassius Vecellinus, rises from his seat after asking for his turn to speak.

Conscript fathers,

I have witnessed these proceedings for two days now and we're no closer to a resolution as of this moment than we were yesterday. I have seen individuals put forward several candidates for the same province, I have seen candidates who aren't even available to take their posting be put forward, I've even seen candidates putting themselves forward without being invited to.

We can all agree on one thing at least, Conscript fathers: enough is enough. The present have been summoned by Consul Decius Bellicus to provide our consultum and that is what we must do. With the agreement of the Presiding Magistrate, I propose that prior to the vote on the final motion, that we make a preliminary judgement of who the majority supports for what position and THEN present that motion for a general vote and ratification.

The technicality of how this is to be performed is as follows:
1) For each Propraetorship, every Senator will rise from his seat and move himself physically closer to the candidate which he supports for that position.
2) The candidate gathering the most support for a given Propraetorship will have his name included in the final motion.
3) In case of a tie, I propose that the two Consuls discuss between themselves whose of the two they prefer and put that name in the final motion. In case that the Consuls maintain their disagreement, then a vote will be re-run solely between these two candidates. Should there still be a tie, I would support a taking of the augurs to decide who ought to be nominated.

Should the above be agreeable, I move that we begin the process at once:
https://forms.gle/utF7n9Qvp1BN9JK9A

I yield the floor.

OOC: The vote is not secret (just as it wouldn't be in Ancient Rome) and I will be publishing who voted for who after a reasonable amount of time, Admin tells me to or everyone voted. I went through every single post in the last Curia and this one to make sure that everyone's nomination was included but if something's missing let me know and I'll try to fix it ASAP.

[Marcus Aurelius Cotta]

The proxy for Propraetor Claudius Nero rose to speak

Esteemed Senators,

We must attempt to bring this debate back to the matter at hand on deciding which Senators will be chosen to govern the provinces, as the longer we cannot make a decision, the longer these provinces will be left vulnerable. I have taken into consideration the veto by the Consul Aurelius Cotta for the extension of terms, along with ensuring a balance between those Senators that show promise at home and meet both Consuls chosen options. As such, I therefore think that the following list of candidates would be amicable.

Propraetor of Sicily - Marcus Silvius Pastor
Propraetor of Sardinia et Corsica - Proculus Lucius Regulus
Propraetor of Hispania Citerior - Gaius Quinctilius Varus
Proconsul of Hispania Ulterior - Amulius Valerius Marius

These are acceptable.

[Marcus Decius Bellicus]

Decius Bellicus rises

“I’m afraid they aren’t, my peer. You vetoed all the candidates I put forwards, you have said so yourself. You have said that none of these may be considered, even the ones you actually supported. Your blind devotion to ramming through and being able to say that you have gotten your way has made it so that we have few choices for magistrate positions.”

Turns to the Censor

“My dear Censor, I’m afraid that your attempt to divide has already been vetoed by my peer, as he decided to absolutely eliminate any chance or attempt for compromise in this matter…that is of course, unless he will recant his premature veto?”

Looks to each of the Senators or proxies that the veto has now barred from office.

[Marcus Aurelius Cotta]

Decius Bellicus rises

“I’m afraid they aren’t, my peer. You vetoed all the candidates I put forwards, you have said so yourself. You have said that none of these may be considered, even the ones you actually supported. Your blind devotion to ramming through and being able to say that you have gotten your way has made it so that we have few choices for magistrate positions.”

Turns to the Censor

“My dear Censor, I’m afraid that your attempt to divide has already been vetoed by my peer, as he decided to absolutely eliminate any chance or attempt for compromise in this matter…that is of course, unless he will recant his premature veto?”

Looks to each of the Senators or proxies that the veto has now barred from office.

I decide when and where my veto applies.

It does not apply to the list of candidates that was proposed secondarily as it satisfied the conditions I previously laid out.

If this is how you intend to carry on, end the session and I will start a new one.

[Marcus Decius Bellicus]

Turns to the Censor

“My dear Censor, the veto was given with the statement that the candidates were not preapproved by my co-Consul, it would not be hard to read that this means he had vetoed them. I am supportive of your move to decide which candidates have the support of the Senate, but I find the constant obstruction of my peer attempting to rule by decree to be…distressing.”

[Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo Hispanicus]

Albinovanus Fango burst into laughter and nudged the Senator sitting next to him. He arose and addressed the Senators immediately in his vicinity.

Consul Aurelius Cotta has already forgotten the names of the senators in his veto. No more wine for this man!

[Marcus Aurelius Cotta]

Albinovanus Fango burst into laughter and nudged the Senator sitting next to him. He arose and addressed the Senators immediately in his vicinity.

Consul Aurelius Cotta has already forgotten the names of the senators in his veto. No more wine for this man!

Your master must return to Rome, when is he coming? We have much to discuss.