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Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:51 pm
by Marcus Decius Bellicus
The proxy rises
"Is there a reason that the donation of your esteemed Senator, not asked for on the Senate floor, is more acceptable than the one of M. Decius Bellicus, also not requested on the Senate Floor?"
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:17 pm
by TerranSteel
The Proxy of Consul Furius Pavo motions to speak and then rises.
"While it is an impressive project and certainly an economically vital one, and Senator Silvius Pastor's efforts to help subsidize the expense is worth applauding, I do have one question.
No solicitations were asked. The Roman State did not come begging, hat in hand. Two other individuals, both esteemed figures - one a victorious Consul and current ProConsul and another a currently serving legate at war while also a noted coin-wise administrator - have freely offered in providing funds as well. Why should these be turned away in their patriotic fervor? Unless perhaps there is another motive to Silvius Pastor's generosity?"
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:35 pm
by Marcus Aurelius Cotta
Senator Aurelius Cotta rubbed his temples. More pointless obstructionism from the usual suspects. The senate session would be a long and painful one at this rate.
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:53 pm
by Marcus Aurelius Cotta
Conscript Fathers,
We can certainly afford the modest contribution from the state in tandem with Senator Silvius Pastor.
I support the motion as submitted.
Moving along to the suggestion of additional donations… seems pointless for this project. We could probably leverage those additional donations for some project.
The aediles do not need Senatorial approval to build something entirely with private funds. This is within their imperium.
Silvius Pastor has done the legwork to get this project to us today and it would be too much of a disruption to the existing plans to change them on the Senate floor, by committee, rather than just give it an up or down vote.
If Senator Decius Bellicus wishes to donate structures to the Roman state, he and any others should privately approach an Aedile and have them build them.
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:18 pm
by Proculus Lucius Regulus
I support the motion as presented. The private wealth of senators is an inappropriate topic to be discussed on the senate floor. If members of this senate oppose a dock being built for the good of our people, simply because they were not allowed to splash around their wealth, they do not have the priorities of Rome in their minds.
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:25 pm
by Marcus Decius Bellicus
The Proxy for Decius Bellicus rises with a chuckle
"Conscript Fathers, apparently you're only allowed to donate to the state if you have the support of the same cabal that held up the affairs of state for most of the last Consular year. I think it is most troubling that, for all the talk of wanting to be mindful with our financial affairs, that all of a sudden some of these Senators would demand that we spend the Republic's denarii on a project instead of having it be fully funded by some of the Senators present."
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:29 pm
by Gaius Quinctilius Varus
Quintus Quintius Quietus rose to speak.
Conscript Fathers,
I stand as proxy for honorable Quinctilius Varus when I say that we will support this bill in its present form. Perhaps a simple vote for it now and if that vote fails the possibility of opening financing to the noble Romans who would seek the honor could be voted on?
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:31 pm
by Marcus Decius Bellicus
The Proxy rises
"Conscript Fathers,
I do not see how some Senators can stand here and state that they support one man funding this project and not others. It seems to me if they wish for this to be sent to a vote, it should either be fully funded by the Republic, which I would oppose, or funded by whatever combination of public and private funds are put forth. To do otherwise is nothing short of petty, partisan hypocrisy."
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:43 pm
by Gaius Cassius Vecellinus
The Consul rested his hand against his forehead in a clear pensive mood. After a few moments of this he recouped his composure and rose to address the Curia.
Conscript fathers,
I am particularly sensible to the financial situation of the
Res Publica and it doesn't make immediate sense to me why the generosity of some individuals should be rejected for that of others when we find ourselves in the present situation. On the contrary, if many wish to contribute, that ought to be commended.
Having taken into consideration the legitimate arguments and concerns made by several Senators, and also wishing to bring this matter to a speedy concern, I have decided to amend the motion in a fashion that should be acceptable to everyone who has just participated.
In particular, it allows for all those who desire to take part in the project to do so in a discrete and virtuous fashion as dictated by Roman morals while recognizing the admirable work put forth by Senator Marcus Silvius Pastor in drawing this plan. It is a compromise but one I believe is fair to everyone and, most importantly, benefits our state through the virtuousness of its citizens.
Inasmuch as it may be good and fortunate for the Roman people of the Quirites, we bring before you, conscript fathers the following:
LEX DE CONSTRUENDO EMPORIUM ROMANUM (Law for the Construction of the Roman Emporium)
Sponsor: Marcus Silvius Pastor
CONCERNING the mercantile infrastructure of Rome, a number of Roman citizens have aired grievances that the current mercantile infrastructure is insufficient to meet the steady growth of commercial trade being conducted in Rome;
WHEREBY a survey of the lands surrounding the Forum Boarium have deemed it virtually impossible to expand the mercantile facilities;
WHEREBY Roman surveyors have identified an ideal plot of land, southwest of the Aventine Hill and alongside the banks of the Tiber;
WHEREBY these surveyors have calculated the estimated cost of construction for an Emporium at the above location;
WHEREBY the Aediles and Quaestors of Rome have voiced their approval to the proposition set forth below and have attached their signatures of endorsement;
THEREBY the Senate, on behalf of the People of Rome, deems it necessary to begin construction on the Emporium following the conditions below:
I. The construction of an Emporium along the banks of the Tiber is hereby authorized;
II. The funding for its construction will be obtained by public subscription. Those who wish to donate will do so at the Temple of Saturn, expressing their desire to donate to the project, under the oversight of an Aedile;
III. The construction will begin as soon as the prerequisite amount, 220,000 Denarii, is gathered;
IV. Senator Marcus Silvius Pastor, having conducted the research and drawn the infrastructural plans, will oversee the construction process or delegate that role and/or certain tasks or responsibilities related to the construction project accordingly;
Written into the annals in the consular year 194BC of Gaius Cassius Vecellinus and Titus Furius Pavo.
What does it please you should be done about this matter?
As previously, I will allow a short period for debate before, hopefully, we can move to a quick vote on the above and the matter of our city's maintenance.
I yield the floor to debate.
Re: Curia Session III - 194 BC
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:52 pm
by Marcus Aurelius Cotta
Honoured Consul,
This motion is now pointless.
The aediles do not need permission from the Senate to build something, only for authorization of state funds.
Likewise, the temple of Saturn needs not permission to take donations of denarii.
I suggest we move on to other matters if no state funds will be authorized.