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Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:43 am
by Marcus Aurelius Cotta
Conscript Fathers,
With the year drawing to a close, I propose a motion for the outgoing Consuls to be extended their traditional proconsular roles, as well for the appointment of new Propraetors.
Consuls have always been offered a proconsular term of equal length of their Consulship.
Furthermore, new propraetors should be appointed to govern the provinces, as is tradition, for the next year.
This would be:
Two provinces governed by the Proconsuls.
Two Provinces governed by new propraetors.
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:12 am
by Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo Hispanicus
Albinovanus Fango, proxy of Domitius Corbulo, seemed visibly confused at the remarks from Aurelius Cotta. He arose and turned in his direction.
"I am unfamiliar with this tradition. Last year we did not offer proconsulship to either Consul of the previous year. Indeed, the law states that a Consul may seek a term as Proconsul but this is not automatically guaranteed. Now, a case may be made that perhaps Consul Valerius Marius is deserving of a term as Proconsul due to his actions against the tribes in Gaul. I will reserve that debate until after this matter is settled."
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:20 am
by Amulius Valerius Marius
The Consul rose, perhaps for the last time in the term.
It is true that this past year we did not offer proconsulship to the outgoing Consul's, despite the opportunity. The Senate of course can and must determine the worthiness of the individual and whether it is necessary to extend one's imperium. Yes, Rome is a traditional state, and yet with our success comes new opportunity to better care take our newly acquired domain.
I open the floor for a discussion on the upcoming years governorships and whether proconsulships will be awarded. I expect that our two Consul-elects will take into consideration what their military obligations may be for the year, and whether additional commands may be required.
Therefore, I would humbly accept to serve as Proconsul if this August body deemed it so.
[OOC: Since we won't be playing as Praetors typically, if we restrict it to them, we'll have two NPC governors each year. While this is something we could do, it'll be up to the senate to decide what path to take. Proconsulships MAY not have been traditional as automatic as of this time, but this can also become tradition. It was typical that a proconsul would get the province that had the most legions assigned to it afaik.)
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:50 am
by Marcus Aurelius Cotta
It’s very clear that the campaigns in Hispania are ongoing and require a deft touch from an experienced exterminator of barbarians.
As such: I propose a Proconsular term in Hispania Ulterior for Consul Valerius Marius for one year, beginning with the expiry of his current consulship.
Marcus Silvius Pastor has distinguished himself through many acts of Virtus and would be able to inspire the legions of Hispania Citerior through his unadulterated manliness alone. I propose a year term as Propraetor of this province.
Consul Claudius Marcellus has had a successful term managing The Republic while Valerius Marius has protected us aboard. His skills will be useful in overseeing the province of Sicily, and I propose a one year proconsulship to begin when the term as Consul expires.
I have no candidate for Propraetor of Corsica, perhaps my future Co-consul has a suggestion for this role.
The campaigns in Gallia Cisalpina will ultimately need to be completed as well, and I believe this role would best suit my co-consul in the coming consular year, if this would please him. There are several tribes in addition to the Boii which should be civilized and ultimately a new province will need to be organized.
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:02 am
by TerranSteel
The proxy of Furius Pavo rose with a raise of the hand.
As said last year, the situation in the frontiers of Hispania are exceedingly dire. Only through the combined and ceaseless efforts of the current Magistrates has the situation even remotely stabilized.
It should also be noted that both governors provided immense wealth into the coffers of Rome. As he stated last year, Furius Pavo said that a steady hand and consistent government is required for the duration of the emergency in Hispania. Given the situation, at least one of the governors should be retained in the region. “Manliness” pales in comparison to battles won, tribals suppressed, and taxes provided.
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:09 am
by Marcus Decius Bellicus
Conscript fathers,
Perhaps it could be explained the origins of this tradition as stated by my fellow Consul-elect. It is my understanding, and the Decius have only had a mere four consuls before me, that a proconsul is nominated when a consul has been on campaign and to remove his imperium could jeopardize the health of that campaign or the security of the Republic as a whole.
I believe an argument could be made for a proconsulship in the current Consul Valerius Marius, in light of his recent triumph and the need to quash the Boii and the Insubres, but I do not believe that we should establish the tradition of anyone being entitled to a position or role by fiat of holding another one previously.
I submit to the body, that I say this as someone who by this tradition would be granted an "traditional" proconsulship through the establishment of tradition at the end of my imperium and yet I remain opposed to the establishment of such a thing.
I also must say it is most against the tradition of this body to frontload the candidacy for the magistrates of our provinces, by ensuring that two of them only have a very limited pool from which to choose and stating ahead of time the preferred candidates of one of the Consul-elects. Very much non-traditional indeed...
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:25 am
by Amulius Valerius Marius
Marcus Decius Bellicus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:09 am
Conscript fathers,
Perhaps it could be explained the origins of this tradition as stated by my fellow Consul-elect. It is my understanding, and the Decius have only had a mere four consuls before me, that a proconsul is nominated when a consul has been on campaign and to remove his imperium could jeopardize the health of that campaign or the security of the Republic as a whole.
I believe an argument could be made for a proconsulship in the current Consul Valerius Marius, in light of his recent triumph and the need to quash the Boii and the Insubres, but I do not believe that we should establish the tradition of anyone being entitled to a position or role by fiat of holding another one previously.
I submit to the body, that I say this as someone who by this tradition would be granted an "traditional" proconsulship through the establishment of tradition at the end of my imperium and yet I remain opposed to the establishment of such a thing.
I also must say it is most against the tradition of this body to frontload the candidacy for the magistrates of our provinces, by ensuring that two of them only have a very limited pool from which to choose and stating ahead of time the preferred candidates of one of the Consul-elects. Very much non-traditional indeed...
One could say that it is not very traditional for two Plebian to hold the office of Consul at the same time. Should we hold all traditions in equal standing?
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:26 am
by Allectus Fabius Maximus
A proxy for Fabius Maximus rose to speak
It is clear to myself and to anyone observing these proceedings that there are some grave disagreements with regards to proconsulships and the governorships of the provinces. I suggest we review each province individually and vote on the nominated individuals.
Or if even that isn’t feasible, we could revert to drawing lots like our ancestors and let the fates decide.
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:13 am
by Gaius Quinctilius Varus
Conscript Fathers!
How quickly some of us seem to have forgotten that the legions which brought Mother Rome glory in Hispania were dispatched by Consul Claudius Marcellus. Any glory they earned is rightfully his, for without his benevolence such glories would have been impossible. We risk setting dangerous precedent if we would ignore his efforts at home and depriving himself direct command in search of laurels by refusing him the honor of a proconsulship.
Re: Curia Session 195 B.C.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:35 am
by Gaius Cassius Vecellinus
The Censor observed the proceedings quietly, showing a clear lack of interest or stake in the matter. When the presiding magistrate glanced at him he made a discrete gesture expressing that he wished to discuss another topic upon the conclusion of the current motion.